tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post4954946303955264999..comments2024-03-27T15:45:20.279+08:00Comments on Rowie's Scribbles: Here We Go Again...Rowanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15114832715678302017noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-84740882476605064232009-07-01T20:25:52.651+08:002009-07-01T20:25:52.651+08:00i cannot believe my eyes. people quarelling over S...i cannot believe my eyes. people quarelling over SSUS here. i've read all the posts and this is what i can sum up.<br /><br />to whomever concerned,<br /><br />i agree with rwi hau. why bother telling people the agreement between the british and the malays on MCKK? anonymous was definitely telling us that this school does divide us. and he came up with article 153? hurm, i dont think that is a valid answer because anonymous himself hinted that the school is preferential. again i agree with rwi hau on what he put forth that the constitution actually guarantees the existence of vernacular schools in malaysia. questioning/pushing for the cause of its abolition is actually against the law. now, if you say that bill can be ammended, it would only mean that the special rights bill can also be ammended and erased from the constitution. funny huh?<br /><br />many of our malay leaders had studied at MCKK. that is right. i agree with anonymous here. i think anonymous was implying that MCKK is a like a tradition and legacy to the malays. true. but does that mean the chinese leaders all graduated from national schools? and vernacular schools are not their legacy and tradition? hurm, anonymous dude, think about it hard. this has just bounced back on you.<br /><br />The same goes to MRSM. for the record, i don't think anyone here touched about malay special rights. i guess mr. anonymous here was too sensitive or maybe someone hit the right chord? but take it this way anonymous dude. think again and put yourself in their shoes. would you be willing to give up what you have at the moment? changes in the constitution is somehow a matter of future. whether you like it or not, it will change because there was another anonymous dude who hinted the constitution would change somehow to suit the future generation. we do not know.<br /><br />now, i have to dish it out to mr. anonymous who kept saying ghee hins and hai sans did not contribute to the nation building. someone made a point somewhere that the non-malays and bumiputeras of sabah and sarawak did not get enough credits in the national school history books. that is so true. i graduated from national school. i bet mr. anonymous here graduated from national school either. so, we know what's going on with our history. you can't lie about this. politicians have indeed been fooling around with our thinking.Starship_Cobranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-72321038112896146862009-06-30T19:09:22.780+08:002009-06-30T19:09:22.780+08:00this is what tan sri prof khoo kay khim has to say...this is what tan sri prof khoo kay khim has to say on the british policy of divide and rule.<br /><br />""""Khoo does not have a problem with how history is revised in school texts to create a "Malaysianised" point of view, instead of the Eurocentric one that prevailed in the 1950s. "What is wrong is when you write and ignore historic facts," he says.<br /><br />"The problem now is that if something in the Eurocentric view was black, it automatically becomes white in the so-called Malaysianised view. You must have proof to back something up."<br /><br />Another example is how the textbooks say the British practised a "divide and rule policy", which ensured the communities were segregated, to breed suspicion and hostility among the races.<br /><br />"There was no such policy by the British, and I challenge those who disagree to show me the proof.<br /><br />"In fact, they tried to get the Malays, Chinese and Indians to integrate. It was the races who refused to do so."<br /><br />Khoo laments that many textbook writers and history teachers these days have not even seen primary documents, such as the treaties signed between the British and Malay rulers.""""<br /><br />can't trust what was written, go here http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/National/2534586/Article/index_htmlfaiz_0586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-83134663884127017742009-06-30T19:04:21.408+08:002009-06-30T19:04:21.408+08:00New Straits Times, april 11, 2009. http://www.nst....New Straits Times, april 11, 2009. http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Frontpage/2528812/Article/index_html<br /><br />Interpreting the roles of non-Malay Malaysians<br /><br />IN the 1930s, the British administration faced fierce opposition from the working class, largely made up of Chinese at the time, says Dr Kua Kia Soong, director of Suara Rakyat Malaysia (Suaram), a human rights organisation. <br /><br />In one of the first shots at inter-ethnic political alliance, Pusat Tenaga Rakyat (Putera), a left-wing coalition of militant and moderate Malays, partnered with the Chinese-dominated All Malaya Council of Joint Action. In October 1947, the coalition organised a general strike -- a "hartal" -- that brought the country to an economic standstill to put pressure on the British government.<br /><br />The Japanese Occupation in 1941 was met with fierce resistance from local nationalists. The British had supplied arms to the Malayan People's Anti-Japanese Army (MPAJA) -- in effect, the CPM -- making it the most potent anti-Japanese guerilla movement and well-organised military group in the country, writes Wong Tze Ken, associate professor in the Department of History, Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences at the University of Malaya, in the first volume of the book, Malaysian Chinese and Nation Building.<br /><br />The move gave MPAJA an edge, and the means, to wage war against the British after the Japanese surrender in 1945.<br /><br />"The CPM ideology and struggle had no place in the nation-building agenda as it eventually became irrelevant as the country moved ahead after independence," says Wong.<br /><br />Prof Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim agrees, as the vision of communism was one of classlessness and statelessness.<br /><br />Under the gaze of a different generation, the joining of forces between the Malayan Chinese Association and the United Malays National Organisation -- the Alliance Party -- for the 1952 Kuala Lumpur municipal elections spearheaded the country's seminal independence movement. The Alliance scored a landslide victory, winning nine of the 12 seats contested.<br /><br />That solidarity was a turning point, says Khoo. For the first time, the Alliance convinced the British that independence might actually work.<br /><br />Dr Voon Phin Keong, director of the Centre for Malaysian Chinese Studies, thinks the subject of history is best left to the historians or specialists in the area. "It should not be left to just anyone. School history textbooks should be written by a panel of historians and subjected to review by a different panel."<br /><br />Kua thinks textbooks are not needed in the age of the Internet. Instead, students should learn to access all available resources with the teacher acting as the facilitator in the classroom. "History in education is about uncovering the truth," says Kua.faiz_0586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-27726282011575698892009-06-30T18:57:27.261+08:002009-06-30T18:57:27.261+08:00Part 2
Also in the Form Three text, specifically ...Part 2<br /><br />Also in the Form Three text, specifically in the chapter on cooperation among the races towards independence, the quote used to illustrate the theme states that the country belongs to the Malays and should, therefore, be returned to them.<br /><br />These are just some of the elements that have found their way into history textbooks under the secondary school integrated curriculum (Kurikulum Bersepadu Sekolah Menengah).<br /><br />Former Kelana Jaya member of parliament Loh Seng Kok thinks too much focus is given to Tamadun Islam, or Islamic Civilisation. "There was only one chapter in the old Form Four history textbook, but now five out of 10 are on this subject matter," said Loh, who carried out a study on history textbooks two years ago.<br /><br />Loh, along with his MCA colleagues, submitted a memorandum to the Education Ministry pursuant to that study.<br /><br />What has also been noted is the downplaying of the roles played by Chinese and Indian communities in the socio-economic development of the country.<br /><br />Some quarters also take exception to the Chinese clans, the Ghee Hin and Hai San, which played so pivotal a role in the advent of colonial administration in the Malay states, being described as kongsi gelap or secret societies, abiding by the old British proscriptions on these organisations.<br /><br />Specific historical figures such as Gurchan Singh, the "Lion of Malaya", and Sybil Karthigesu have all but vanished from the record. Both resisted the Japanese during the occupation of Malaya in World War 2 and paid the price for it. They used to get some mention, but have since disappeared from the pages of our history.<br /><br />The key historical roles played by prominent figures from Sabah and Sarawak also merit little or no mention beyond "a line or two".<br /><br />All Malaysian communities have their role in the story of how this nation came to be what it is today, and history texts need to reflect this shared ownership. Questions of ethnic relations in history must be discussed in scrupulously neutral language, without judgments of right or wrong.<br /><br />A review would, indeed, be timely, but it must be collective, consultative and knowledge-based, not driven by emotion or political imperatives. -- CSLfaiz_0586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-21284340396647771142009-06-30T18:56:23.427+08:002009-06-30T18:56:23.427+08:00Another article on april 11, 2009.
Go to http://ww...Another article on april 11, 2009.<br />Go to http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Frontpage/2528758/Article/index_html and have a look at the illustration, from page 130 of a Form Three textbook which gives the impression that vernacular schools cannot promote national unity.<br /><br />Part 1<br />At last month's Umno general assembly, incoming party vice-president Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein floated the prospect of revisiting how history is taught in the nation's schools. The suggestion immediately raised eyebrows among Umno's partners-in-governance, with the MCA pledging to convene a conference on the matter. CHOK SUAT LING, SHERIDAN MAHAVERA, SITI NURBAIYAH NADZMI and YONG HUEY JIUN explore what may have fallen through the cracks of this country's historical mosaic as it is presented in the school curriculum. <br /><br />WHAT can and what can't be found in school history textbooks has been a source of concern for many years.<br /><br />Besides omissions and insufficient emphasis on certain communities, experts and parents alike contend that some of the text and illustrations in history textbooks are placed there to subtly brainwash young minds.<br /><br />Some of these elements contain politically-aligned and narrow views that can skew students' impressions of historical events and their impact on the country and its communities.<br /><br />While school history textbooks now make a clear push for a national culture and society, are more comprehensive, and encourage students to be more analytical than in the past, when they were required to merely regurgitate facts and dates for examinations, certain elements in the texts must be reviewed.<br /><br />In the Form Three textbook, for example, the contentious term "ketuanan Melayu", or "Malay supremacy", appears with a definition deemed inappropriate. Some quarters argue that the phrase should not have been included in the textbook in the first place.<br /><br />In the same textbook, one illustration gives the impression that vernacular schools cannot promote national unity, and a paragraph on the same page states that vernacular schools will progressively be phased out.faiz0586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-78626758144130870002009-06-30T18:53:08.302+08:002009-06-30T18:53:08.302+08:00Part 2
In The Malaysian Indians: History, Problems...Part 2<br />In The Malaysian Indians: History, Problems and Future, the late Muzafar Desmond Tate wrote of how Brahmin priests and Buddhist missionaries gave Malay chieftains the organisational system that would transform them into the kings of today.<br /><br />But, Muzafar stressed, the early Indians' influence was not manifested in force of arms or large-scale migration.<br /><br />When it comes to the later migration of Tamils, Telugus, Malayalees, Sikhs and Bengalis, there is a begrudging acceptance of their presence, notes Dass.<br /><br />"They were not a colonising force to subjugate or rob the Malays. Many lives were lost in opening up these plantations and towns, and these Indians were indentured to the Europeans who brought them in. The point is to recognise each community's sacrifices that went into this great nation.<br /><br />"Our founding fathers knew this was integral to nation-building."<br /><br />His co-author, Jayanath Appudurai, says that the problem with how history is taught today is that it is seen through the lens of only one community.<br /><br />"But the record shows that the peninsula was in a strategic position that attracted everyone from different regions of the world to converge and set up their own settlements here."<br /><br />To acknowledge the various influences that went into creating what is now Malaysia is not to prop up one race or culture over another, Jayanath says. "It is not about the Indians being superior to the Malays or the Chinese being better than everyone else. It is about recognising the multi-ethnicity that has always been and continues to be present in the peninsula.<br /><br />"It is about seeing Malaysia as a nation, not of a single ethnicity, but one of shared membership among many." -- SMfaiz_0586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-20581763319939628692009-06-30T18:52:38.165+08:002009-06-30T18:52:38.165+08:00this is what was written on the NST on april 11, 2...this is what was written on the NST on april 11, 2009.<br /><br />One Nation Shared Among Many People<br /><br />Part 1<br />YEARS ago, when lawyer G.A. David Dass taught at Universiti Institut Teknologi Mara, he would be approached by students who would evince surprise that he was genuinely interested in teaching them and had no motives other than ensuring they understood the material. <br /><br />He ventures that this was because they had been "conditioned into believing that non-Malays were not to be trusted and that our presence in Malaysia meant that they were taking something away from the Malays".<br /><br />Dass believes that most non-Malay lecturers at UiTM have had similar experiences, in an example of how Malaysian history and how it is taught in schools -- and how it can be manipulated by politicians -- can graft lasting impressions on young minds that determine how they relate to others of a different community.<br /><br />For years, Dass says, the non-Malay history in Malaysia had been framed by an ethnocentric elite as a story of how the Malays had "lost out", "been dispossessed" and "subjugated" by "bangsa asing" or "foreign races".<br /><br />This narrative presumes that Malaya was "conquered" (dijajah) by Europeans eager to exploit its natural riches.<br /><br />Control over who came into the land was out of Malay hands, and the penjajah allowed bangsa asing to enter and build their tin mines and rubber estates, while the Malays watched by the wayside in their villages.<br /><br />Such a telling of history is warped, erroneous and, when it comes to the Indian experience in pre-independence Malaya, disingenuous.<br /><br />It overlooks the contribution of Indians to local customs, culture, arts and governance. It ignores the fact that for 80 per cent of the Indians who came to Malaya in the 19th and early 20th centuries, their lives were shackled in deprivation and hard labour.<br /><br />"How did thousands of mostly Tamil indentured labourers, who were paid pitiful wages and who toiled under the most back-breaking circumstances to open up plantations and build roads, dispossess the Malays?" asks Dass, who co-authored the book Malaysian Indians: Looking Forward.<br /><br />Though the history of Indian contact with the peoples of Peninsular Malaysia between the 1st and 11th centuries is mentioned in school textbooks, its influence on Malay culture has been played down.<br /><br />It is almost as if it is an embarrassment, says U.K. Menon, deputy vice-chancellor of Wawasan Open University, to acknowledge the extensive traces Indians left on local pre-Islamic culture which can still be seen.faiz_0586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-36949020025132369502009-06-30T12:34:13.658+08:002009-06-30T12:34:13.658+08:00@anonymous - you explained a lot on the two types ...@anonymous - you explained a lot on the two types of malay boarding schools. the most important thing to note here is don't they segregate? i dun care if u wanna keep on explaining on those schools but i need to know aren't they race-preferential? <br />"""Malay boarding schools were designed to assist the Malays, who were left far behind economically and educationally, to catch up with the others in the field of education"""". if these schools are designated schools with their effective roles in assisting the malays, i juz dun see why vernacular schools cannot co-exist to assist the non-malays!!! u have indeed indirectly admitted that MCKK and MRSM do segregate!! no point in explaining that much on'em. <br /><br />i bet u said rasing the malay boarding school issue is like raising the malay special rights issue stated in article 153. i guess u still haven't had the knock up of ur life have u? vernacular schools are guaranteed under the constitution now if u are fighting to abolish or questioning vernacular schools, can we charge u under the sedition act? isn't this called seditious as well? owh i guess then maybe u wud jump out and say this is for the sake of the nation bla bla bla. owh, when there's nuthin to do with the malays, it's not seditious, but when there's sth to do with the malays, it is seditious? cool. i like that flip flop.<br /><br />i am indeed a student but that doesn't mean i dunno a shit about the country. owh, like you know a lot about the country? if i didn't know, i wudnt be here writing about it. u know it and i know it. i met so many students from the states. the first thing they asked was about our equality. if u think the states is that biased, u still haven't the slightest picture of what's called fair. i dun think u can fool me on this one apparently. the word race-preferential means JUSTICE? that must only exist in ur own dictionary then i guess. if u think all the chinese are rich, think again before u say it. <br /><br />bahasa malaysia is indeed the national language. if u noticed(i bet ur too bz anyways), malaysian chinese address BM as the national language(Guo Yi), but chinese from the mainland address mandarin as their national language(Guo Yi). and still that isn't enough credit for ur BM? u want us to all go national schools whose history books are the source of ethnic cleansing? i bet u haven't read NST's 'whose history is our history'. you keep on telling people that BM is our national language. who doesn't know that fact? u still learn BM in vernacular schools which they call as national language. what else are u implying? that we should be doing away with our mother tongues and only have BM as our mother tongue? <br /><br />i dun give a damn on what u depicted me as saying on the keris thing. had enough of exlaining done. there's no need to explain more to people like u.<br /><br />the majority wants the 1school thingy? yeah rite when they couldn't even get enough ppl to sign it. hey anonymous, i really dunno who or where u r, but look around u. do those ppl look like they want it? u dun even have the balls to reveal ur own name. i dun think u have the balls to ask those around u. <br /><br />if u think they detain those peopl at camp x-ray without trials, read again on who's being detained there. dun liken camp x-ray to ISA. i cannot tolerate stupidity and naiveness. political dissidents in the states are never detained because it is a free country. no wonder...<br /><br />i never wanted any luck from u. thx anyways for the threat cuz all u can ever do is to threaten people. not scared. cuz u peol;e started it and tried to abolish vernacular schools. i haven't been so tempted to defend vernacular schools which are a guaranteed right under constitution. if u dun question it, would i be questiong ur righst? dun rile me.CDanvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862635702248676580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-77565650929353234592009-06-30T08:09:24.287+08:002009-06-30T08:09:24.287+08:00PART 3
Rwi Hau,
I’m beginning to wonder whether ...PART 3<br /><br />Rwi Hau,<br /><br />I’m beginning to wonder whether I should continue to respond to your hardly thought-out and irresponsible statements. I know you will continue spewing the venom of your ill-perceived notions of “inequality, injustice, discrimination” and everything else that you feel like blabbering out. Or, they could be well thought-out and planned propaganda designed to erode public confidence in the Establishment to fit a hidden agenda you and your group have. <br /><br />You don’t reply to questions about respect for the Constitution, about the position and the role of Bahasa Malaysia, you refuse to even imagine a Bangsa Malaysia talking the national language of this country. Hey Rwi Hau, you have to understand, respect and live by the principles of democracy that this country is committed to as reflected in the Constitution. Majority rule, in any issue. As far as the 1School proposal is concerned, the promoters are now calling for a referendum. They believe the majority wants it. Those who want to block or sabotage that call is not democratic. Those who do not believe in democracy and want to promote an undemocractic way of life in this country are subversive. They subvert the Constitution, the highest set of laws of this country.<br /> <br />Rwi Hau, the rational, peace loving, harmony- and unity-minded among your readers will see your true colour – divisive, ungrateful, uncompromising, no give-and-take, unreasonable. When you speak of giving credit to secret societies, thugs and gangsters like the Hai Sans and Ghee Hins, communist terrorists like Chin Peng and the Malayan Communist Party, you are, in fact, subversive. My goodness, you even want to change the national emblem! Quite a revolutionary fellow, aren’t you? I better leave it to the Police Special Branch to deal with you. I know they watch people like you because they are always interested in subversive elements. And it’s their job to maintain harmony, peace and order; they have lost a lot of lives, energy and effort to secret societies, thugs and gangsters, and the Malayan Communist Party, throughout the history of this country. <br /><br />Read the proper history man, not wikipedia which keeps changing and anybody can change, and new information often not sourced to respected and internationally recognized authorities. <br /><br />The time will come when the Police will act on people like you; they have already acted by arresting and prosecuting those who defaced the Perak Sultan’s website. They have also arrested and detained subversive elements under the Internal Security Act. When that happens, don’t accuse the Government of what you call “injustice”. That Act gives the Government the power to do so without bringing the culprits to court; you simply can’t argue and the law is very clear. It was passed by Parliament, democratically, and by majority decision. You might want to know that even the so called most democratic and most liberal country in the world, the US, also followed Malaysia; they detain without trial Americans and non-Americans in Guantanamo Bay. <br /><br />The Police are very discerning and careful in using ISA; but if you are not careful and responsible in what you say, I won’t wish you luck on this.<br /> <br />Dot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-32724821186491441042009-06-30T07:52:47.613+08:002009-06-30T07:52:47.613+08:00PART 2
Rwi Hau,
Do you know that Malays apply fo...PART 2<br /><br />Rwi Hau,<br /><br />Do you know that Malays apply for Government jobs because they do not have many chances of a career in the private sector which is dominated by the Chinese who control the economy? You don’t believe this, or you refuse to acknowledge, or you conveniently do not want to mention it? So, you have so many Chinese having private sector jobs and you still want Government jobs? Do you know what this is called? Have you heard people calling you and your type of always wanting more, more and more, without regard for others? What are you talking about?<br /><br />Do you know how many from each community applied for the Government posts concerned? Do you know the selection criteria? Do you know the qualifications and consideration that have gone into the deliberation and the decision by the selection committee? I bet you don’t. You just rattle on, like you often do, saying you see so few non-Malays in a particular government department, so you conclude discrimination, ha? Rather irresponsible of you, isn’t it? So, by the same token, when people see so many non-Malay staff in private firms, that means discrimination, ha? What kind of logic are you using? As some one said earlier, I thought you were a University graduate. Graduates argue like this, ha? <br /><br />Your profile says your are a student. You have not worked in any Governtment department and made your conclusion of discrimination just based on your visual impression. Come on la young man, you are 24 years old, you have to be responsible in stating your views. Don’t accuse; if you don’t understand, ask.<br /> <br />Do you know that the history of China is so full of rampant corruption since 2,000 years ago and so mired in endless wars, rebellions and killings that one Professor said that these have resulted in the Chinese attitude or culture of not being interested in working in Government service or in the armed forces? Do you know how many Chinese apply for jobs in the civil service or the Police or the Army compared to the Malays? <br /><br />To find out the ratio of Malays to non-Malays applying (instead of just blabbering), you can write to the Public Services Department, the Police Service Commission or the Ministry of Defence Recruitment Division. I can guarantee you that the Malays greatly exceed the non-Malays. So, you say discrimination again everywhere, including in the Police and the Army?<br /> <br />Dot.<br /><br />TO BE CONTINUED IN PART 3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-68716769235908642412009-06-30T07:45:26.525+08:002009-06-30T07:45:26.525+08:00Rwi Hau,
You said, “haven't i sacrificed enuf...Rwi Hau,<br /><br />You said, “haven't i sacrificed enuf of what i have for the country when i had to give up my rights for someone else's happiness? is that called FAIR and EQUAL?” <br /><br />What exactly have you “sacrificed”? You “had to give up your rights” – but what right have you actually given up? Have you spent money or toiled for hours to help people? You call “giving up your rights for someone else’s happiness” when all you did was not wanting to accept the Special Malay Rights that give Malays, who were left far behind, opportunities for better education, for acquiring corporate wealth (which they didn’t get during British rule)? You are being nasty, aren’t you? <br /><br />Do you realise that when you begrudge the Special Malay Rights, they can also do the same about your citizenship because the one was in exchange for the other?<br /> <br />You make a lot of accusations but do not explain or justify them with facts and figures. I have addressed your unjustified accusation of no equality in this country. When you complain about justice, you don’t even clarify what aspects you refer to – just a blanket kind of complaint. You don’t bother to say whether you meant justice in the judiciary, in the courts, in the Government. If it is in the Government, whether it is the staff, treatment of public, which department, etc. Of course, no evidence or substantiation put forward. It is, in your usual loose gun manner, simply saying there is no justice.<br /> <br />You said, “i dun think those supporting this campaign for the abolition of vernacular schools have tried to understand the most essential part of our nation building nor have they tried to understand why vernacular schools are that important to the non-malays.” What is the “most essential part of out nation building”? Why are “vernacular schools that important to the non-Malays”? Explain them fully, man, instead of just making loose statements.<br /><br />Again you said, “those in support of the one school for all mostly go or went to national schools so they dun get the picture. get one person from vernacular schools to speak up here. we'll see whether they want vernacular schools to be done away or be kept.” The one person from a SJK© who wrote in up there did not speak of vernacular schools in glorified terms. So what next? The SSS promoters can produce to you several that are written in other blogs that confirm the problems concerning vernacular schools.<br /> <br />Then you said, “… for real, one school for all doesn't tell the true picture here. however, a standardized national syllabus is the real issue here.” If so, why must the standardized syllabus be pursued in the vernacular schools when children can benefit from mixing with the wider mix of communities there?<br /><br />Then you raised the issue of discrimination in government service, saying “i guess the u haven't had ur share of being discriminated over and my best bet here is that u go out there and see for urself … suggest u come over and let me show you what a government department could do to the non-malays. juz exactly how many non-malays do u get to see working as a government officer or are government servants?” You ask readers to come with you for you to show what you mean when, writing in blogoshpere, you could have explained it. Without explaining, without showing facts and figures, you just, as usual, trigger-happily shoot. You don’t even indicate, let alone name, the department concerned. <br /><br />You don’t have the facts and figures, do you? You just dare people to come with you to see because you know no one would. People are to believe whatever you say despite any substantiation with facts? Just because there are only a few non-Malays means discrimination in that department? Is that logic? What school did you go to and what kind of education did you have? Don’t shoot randomly, man. Be responsible with your gun, for goodness sake. <br /><br />Dot.<br /><br />TO BE CONTINUED IN PART 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-12770525814961860572009-06-30T07:19:08.666+08:002009-06-30T07:19:08.666+08:00Rowan,
I was away for nearly a week and now find ...Rowan,<br /><br />I was away for nearly a week and now find you have moved on with new postings.<br /><br />I also find that Rwi Hau kept putting out views, including repeating what he said earlier.<br /> <br />I have while away without internet access, prepared more explanations on subjects he had raised earlier. Please allow me space for these "other side of the coin", at least for the record. Thank you.<br /><br />Given below is the first one, followed after that as additional comments.<br /><br />Rwi Hau,<br /><br />As stated earlier, I will take you up on the points you put out one by one. This time it is on the Malay boarding schools.<br /> <br />Malay boarding schools are in two categories. One is Malay College Kuala Kangsar (MCKK) which was set up by the British well before World War II. It was the result of discussions between the British Resident and the Sultan of Perak on the deed to train Malays to participate in the administration of the country, even before independence. That in itself was testament to the recognition by the British of the hegemony of the Malays in this country and their importance in the affairs of running the country.<br /> <br />Indeed, many Malays who have studied in that school were recruited into the Malay Administrative and the expatriate dominated Malayan Civil Service, including the 2nd Prime Minister, Tun Abdul Razak. This is a special institution with its own history for the Malays and is certainly part of the Special Malay Rights spelled out in Article 153 of the Constitution.<br /> <br />The other category is the MARA schools called the Maktab Rendah Sains MARA (MRSM). Again, MARA was set up under the Special Malay Rights Article of the Constitution. The MRSMs were a response to the dearth of Malays qualified in the various sciences, a problem created by the lack of attention and help during the scores of years of British colonial rule. The British built only a few schools in the kampongs where most Malays lived; such schools were only at primary level. Whereas in the towns where most Chinese lived, they built a sufficient number of schools, both at primary and secondary levels. Malay boarding schools were designed to assist the Malays, who were left far behind economically and educationally, to catch up with the others in the field of education. <br /><br />Raising the matter of the Malay boarding schools might attract Malays to raise the matter of citizenship of the non-Malays because the Malay Special Rights were in exchange for the citizenship right of the non-Malays. As these are sensitive matters and come under the purview of the Sedition Act, everybody is well advised not to harp on them.<br /> <br />The Special Malay Rights are not issues but are well established and historically recorded facts - agreed among leaders of the major communities - and must not be discussed. They cannot be issues because they are written in the Constitution, the highest set of laws in the country. Every loyal Malaysian citizen must respect the Constitution. Talking about changes in the Constitution on sensitive matters is dangerous and can lead to disharmony, chaos and disorder. Those who do that despite knowing the implications are anti-national and subversive. <br /><br />In the recent past the Government has not taken action on such matters. That was why there appeared to have been rampant disregard for the sensitive nature of those matters, including instances of glaring disrespect for the Malay Special Rights, including defacing of the website of Sultan of Perak and blocking the path of the Raja Muda of Perak. The Sultan of Perak had advised on 14 June 2009 for the rakyat not to question Malay Special Rights as it is seditious. The time will come when the Government takes action in prosecuting more than just those who defaced the Sultan’s website. <br /> <br />Dot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-25358373396107688162009-06-25T07:33:04.206+08:002009-06-25T07:33:04.206+08:00the petition doesn't say anything about sbp(mc...the petition doesn't say anything about sbp(mckk, etc), matrikulasi, UiTM and sekolah agama. u think we are that dumb to think the bumiputras are that generous for alloting 10% of their supposedly rightful places in matriculation colleges? again, it was all politics. think again how dr. m won so many non-malays votes in 1999. people trusted him? yeah. what a coincidence heh that he alloted the 10% just before the election in 1999. it's told over and over again. whatever learned in vernacular schools is the same in national schools. i told u to dig up the articles on the new straits times on 'whose history is our history'. i dun think u have. either ur too bz engaging in ur malay sentiments or too bz promoting to us that vernacular schools segregate malaysian without a word on malay boarding schools, UiTM, matriculation colleges and religious schools. where's the validity of that? u think by going to one school for all, our rights are upheld once and for all? hahahaahahaha. very funny. u want me to beliebve it. i can. just scrap those other schools i mention then i'll believe u are fighting for unity among us. but i bet that won't happen rite? cuz those schools are like ur tradition. same thing here. vernacular schools are our tradition!!! please respect what's written in the constitution. if u say we are questioning article 153 or wtv in the constitution, aren't u questioning it too cuz vernacular schools are definitely given the greenlight and their existence is guaranteed under the constitution. amusing enuf huh? talk to our DPM if u dun believe me. listen to what he'll as to why he rejected ur so SACRED PETITION.CDanvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862635702248676580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-53058650283000224632009-06-25T07:18:07.608+08:002009-06-25T07:18:07.608+08:00dun further complicate matters here anonymous. i d...dun further complicate matters here anonymous. i dun like u too. we're definitely not the two sides of the same coin. i doubt if all "malaysians" agree with what you said. i'll forever counter ur idealistic principle which promotes ethnic cleansing. u definitely don;t read. plus, u dun answer the most critical issue of all. i just dun see what's ur stand on MATRIKULASI, UiTM, SBP(MCKK, etc) and Sekolah Agama? u keep on saying vernacular schools segregate malaysians. i've answered u. on malaysian identity. u still can't give me a clear picture of it. cuz u think a malaysian should be speaking in malay, go to national schools and changing their names like those chinese in thailand, indonesian and the phillipines. if you think the malays are willing to give up their own race, THAT'S GOOD. REALLY GOOD. where's that stated anywhere in the petition huh?CDanvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862635702248676580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-31048846165903866952009-06-24T22:35:30.925+08:002009-06-24T22:35:30.925+08:00i do not necessarily agree with this one school fo...i do not necessarily agree with this one school for all thingy. firstly, however brilliant this idea is feasibility will be a huge matter as far as this country is concerned. here are a few issues:<br /><br />i) new blocks/schools will be needed (i hope i dun need 2 explain tat)<br /><br />ii)given the m'sian/malay govt's mentality chinese and indian languages will 'disappear'<br /><br />iii) once the full control of education system is with the govt they'll start promoting '1 m'sia' which basically says indians n chinese r slaves of the malay master.<br /><br />iv) regardless of the same schools malays will still get into matriculation and graduate 1 year earlier in better courses. chinese n indian people will b pissed anyway...so wers the unity in tat?<br /><br />v) after 50years the malay govt cant decide on the language to use... u think they can come up with proper syllabus...the already incompetent m'sia will become worse<br /><br /><br />vi) comparitive advantage - we know chinese schools n indian schools maintain higher standards than malays/public schools...given the status-quo tats the oni advantage we have over the malays...now the govt seeks to destroy tat n make us just as dumb..<br /><br /><br /><br />so with all tis n more(malas wanna write redy) wat shall thou say Miss Rowie Bowie Jowie AnnMahallah Nahmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-77376902549704060862009-06-24T22:20:59.268+08:002009-06-24T22:20:59.268+08:00Sorry Rowan
I just wanted to know. But that perso...Sorry Rowan<br /><br />I just wanted to know. But that person says I dun read, I cannot understand.<br /><br />But he dont answer people. I dont like him. I also want to close.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-50421601861204909002009-06-24T21:29:48.521+08:002009-06-24T21:29:48.521+08:00err, sorry. i thot this could be a healthy debate....err, sorry. i thot this could be a healthy debate. really sorry rowan. my bad.CDanvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862635702248676580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-84370448098009620282009-06-24T20:28:42.057+08:002009-06-24T20:28:42.057+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.CDanvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862635702248676580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-13028505587605982132009-06-24T20:11:24.149+08:002009-06-24T20:11:24.149+08:00Guys don't fight please. I wrote this topic to...Guys don't fight please. I wrote this topic to express how I feel about the matter. <br /><br />I appreciate the input from everyone but seriously, if you're gonna keep attacking each other, I'll have to close this topic down.<br /><br />PS. Rwi Hau is himself. He never posted as anyone else.Rowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15114832715678302017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-62089815140440945222009-06-24T20:06:45.076+08:002009-06-24T20:06:45.076+08:00just shut it. i'm loke hai liang. not two lian...just shut it. i'm loke hai liang. not two liang, you son of a bitch. i too am on facebook. add me. can't wait to see your ugly face too. or your scared? did the big bad wolf scare you that you are afraid to tell us your real name?L.H. Liangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-69408976066177085022009-06-24T20:00:48.211+08:002009-06-24T20:00:48.211+08:00oh please deejaydude. ignorant much? i don't k...oh please deejaydude. ignorant much? i don't know about the others, but i'm definitely not rwi hau. i am saddiq zahari, check me out on facebook.S.Zaharinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-7848704301667076542009-06-24T19:56:36.068+08:002009-06-24T19:56:36.068+08:00Wooo!! Hooo!! Hooooo!!!
All these malay names zah...Wooo!! Hooo!! Hooooo!!!<br /><br />All these malay names zahari, saleh and the other two liang, luca are spelt:-<br /><br />'Rui Hau'!!!!!<br /><br />Pretending to be malay haaa? Well you still sound the same! Why bother?<br /><br />Still the Dee Jay! yeahh!!<br /><br />Deejay DudeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-48912214576692940392009-06-24T19:39:42.044+08:002009-06-24T19:39:42.044+08:00i'm a friend currently studying in the states....i'm a friend currently studying in the states. i wish to point out here on what deejaydude has been questioning.<br /><br />if rwi is the type of chinese who don't give back to the country, i muz ask then what have you given back to your own country deejaydude? if by studying hard and feeling grateful for being guaranteed the rights to education and channeling your life to contribute to the country means giving nothing back to the country, i take it that means by jaywalking throughout your high school and college years without an apparent ambition is the answer. it's illogical. if you think you're contributing to your country, tell me what are your contributions!!! <br /><br />if you think by pushing for the 'One School For All' campaign means your patriotic, i just don't think you understand the real meaning of freedom and justice. <br /><br />i believe i read about rwi's comments on malaysia's religious schools, UiTM, Matriculasi and boarding schools that they segregate according to races and religions too. and i so far have not seen anyone here talking about'em. whether rwi was righfully correct about'em or those attacking him were completely in disarray for not being able to counter the fact.<br /><br />in the states, all of us go to either public or private schools with only english as the medium of instruction, yet we differ racially, religiously and culturally. are we united or do we think the same? no. we are totally different. your facial features will not lie to you. people can trace your line of descent by looking at you. in the states, all of us speak american english, yet we are still divided politically. we are still labeled according to our races, whether we are white, black, hispanic or others. this is the truth. cause you are who you are. by doing away your racial background won't do you any good. like i mentioned, your facial features don't lie. live with the fact!! if you say a single language can unite all of malaysians, that'd be a complete lie. in the states, people are heavily divided on issues like abortion and gay rights. you see, there'll still be divisions and factions. the most important of all is how you're gonna handle it. and yeah, look hard into the mirror deejaydude. look hard!! you will find out exactly who you are!!Luca Toschesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-59523329885125816452009-06-24T17:23:59.702+08:002009-06-24T17:23:59.702+08:00i as a malay myself do have a problem with the ker...i as a malay myself do have a problem with the keris waving at UMNO's general assembly. being insensitive toward other races is unacceptable. if you feel that has nothing to do with SUPREMACISM, let's ask what our national school's form three history book says about the ketuanan melayu term.Saleh M.S. Omarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2011095493884262330.post-73810560814463655862009-06-24T17:14:14.289+08:002009-06-24T17:14:14.289+08:00to mr. deejaydude,
ask not what others can give t...to mr. deejaydude,<br /><br />ask not what others can give to you. but what you can give to others. i guess this part of rwi hau's comments below would be able to counter what you're questioning. <br /><br />"you mentioned 'bout what i can contribute to the country. haven't i sacrificed enuf of what i have for the country when i had to give up my rights for someone else's happiness? is that called FAIR and EQUAL? i went thru a lot and trust me i've been thru it. you might not understand the real situation out there but you DEFINITELY WILL when that unfairness falls upon you".L.H. Liangnoreply@blogger.com